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RJOB Community Engagement & Funding Subcommittee Monthly Meetings - Shared screen with speaker view
Melissa Tomlinson
37:42
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Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
39:07
We support the decarceration of youth in Contra Costa County and the exploration of community-based alternatives.The proposed closure of the Orin Allen Youth Rehabilitation Facility (the Ranch) in Byron and the transfer of youth in that program to the more restrictive, locked Juvenile Hall setting is wholly inconsistent with those goals.The Ranch is an important part of the continuum of programs and services that the county offers its justice-involved youth.With the impending closure of the state Division of Juvenile Justice, this is an important time to reimagine this entire continuum of county youth programs in a manner that is evidence-based and consistent with the goal of the juvenile court to treat youth in the least restrictive setting possible.How to handle any costs associated with maintaining the Ranch should be part of this larger conversation, with ample opportunity for community input.One cannot “transfer” the Ranch into the Hall. The Hall is a locked, institutional setting where childre
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
39:50
cont.. One cannot “transfer” the Ranch into the Hall. The Hall is a locked, institutional setting where children live in cells, on cellblocks.  While not a community setting, the Ranch is a smaller, unlocked facility where youth live in an open, dorm-like atmosphere with fields, a pool, and a large workout and recreational area. They have more opportunities for community and family contact through tutoring programs with seniors, competitive sports teams, on-site visits, and vocational training on acres of land.Research suggests that custodial punishment may increase recidivism and jeopardize the mental health of juveniles, ultimately endangering public safety. This is especially true with younger youth, a group the Ranch has historically served.
Andrea Crider (she/her/hers)
43:36
Tamisha yes!
Genoveva Zesati- Behavioral Health (she,her)
44:58
Thank you for the information Tamisha and Christopher.
Jane Courant
47:26
Here, here, Tamisha!
Rashida
53:34
I agree 100% Chipo!
Melissa Tomlinson
54:09
same 100% agree
Chala Bonner
54:52
I love the idea of having a youth summit
Rashida
56:09
We lost your audio, Tamish! :(
Samantha Williams
57:04
I appreciate your response, Tamisha. Thank you
Melissa Tomlinson
57:16
is defunding our police force on the agenda?
Samantha Williams
57:40
Great question!
Genoveva Zesati- Behavioral Health (she,her)
58:03
Ri Scott is this an open meeting and if so, can you please supply the meeting info here.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
58:33
I don't think so but if folks want to get involved more please contact me. tamisha@safereturnproject.org 9253356738
Elsie Mills she/her
58:38
Isnt this the listening hour? So, there is no agenda, all comments are valid, no? I'm confused about comment by Lara.
Ri Scott, CCJJC
59:44
Here is a link to the Contra Costa Juvenile Justice Commission meeting dedicated to the Ranch closure. We will be meeting in open session from 5:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. on July 22nd.https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81515386882?pwd=QlhaTjdLQklLSGttQXNCRy8zbjQ3QT09
Genoveva Zesati- Behavioral Health (she,her)
01:00:12
Thanks Ri!
Albert Ponce
01:00:17
well said Tamisha
Rashida
01:00:19
Ri can you pot your email here?
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:00:37
You can reach me, as Chair of the Commission at ri.m.scott@gmail.com. We are deeply interested in the feedback of any volunteers or individuals with personal stories involving the Ranch or the Hall.
Rashida
01:00:37
Thank you Tamisha!
Elsie Mills she/her
01:01:11
this is a listening hour, So lets not tell people that their item is "on the agenda later."
Jill Ray
01:02:16
Elsie, this hour is scheduled as a listening session only, so what Lara was saying is there won't be back and forth dialogue. But she wanted everyone on the call who was interested in The Ranch issue, it is an agenda item on the RJOB meeting agenda, which starts at 4pm today, so there will be more info/discussion at that time.
Rashida
01:02:24
Melissa, can you raise your hand and field you question? I'm interested to hear your thoughts!
Jane Courant
01:02:49
sounds like our sheriff.
ichoate
01:03:01
I am too Melissa
Jill Ray
01:03:21
Melissa, that item is not on the agenda today.
ichoate
01:03:55
Does it have to be on the agenda to ask her question?
Melissa Tomlinson
01:04:20
what needs to be done to get it on the agenda?
Gilbert Rivera
01:04:51
Mariann, email me and I'll see if public defender can help
Jill Ray
01:04:56
she can ask the question, but there cannot be discussion on it today as it is not on the agenda. You can ask the RJOB chair if they would be willing to agendize that item on a future agenda.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:04:56
We have an opportunity to do what CDCR and DJJ have never been able to do here.
Christine Clark
01:05:01
We need to continue these meetings and keep the discussion going on racial justice. We need to keep these discussions going! Really like how you are opening this up to the public. Thank you!
Melissa Tomlinson
01:05:04
clarification... what needs to be done to get defunding the police on the agenda?
Christopher James
01:05:26
This is public comment, so comments including subject matter not on the agenda are welcome
Melissa Tomlinson
01:05:29
formally asking in the chat room
Kristin Lobos
01:06:22
Yep, the sheriff used mental health as a strategic plan just to get his jail expansion, he could care less about anyone's actual mental health
Kristin Lobos
01:07:04
Yes!! mental health crisis teams now!
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:07:20
yes
Kristin Lobos
01:07:25
Right on!
Christine Clark
01:07:29
Agree!!!!!
Brian W
01:07:35
Yes! Thank you!
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:07:46
thank you
Kristin Lobos
01:07:49
100%
ichoate
01:08:09
Thank you Jeff
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:10:16
When DJJ closes the Probation department's budget will significantly increase. those funds need to go to diversion and youth programs.
Christine Clark
01:11:50
Agree!
Melissa Tomlinson
01:11:56
🤲🏼thank you
Courtney and Kirsten
01:11:57
As MDUSD educators, we would like to add funding for equity programs and anti-racist education in our schools as a priority.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:12:08
Jeff I hope someone is saving the chat steam
Kristin Lobos
01:12:42
DVC and CCC are an important part of creating our powerful youth activists, and some old ones like me. lol
Chala Bonner
01:13:34
I just want to highlight the our DA and other staff in the probation department also believes that Juvenile Hall should be closed and does not serve our youth
ichoate
01:14:23
Definitely need to add defunding the police to a future agenda. I don't want them defunded to the extent that it is a detriment to the safety of our communities. Police/sheriffs provide a valuable service and they deserve funding. Maybe look at providing some education and change but also acknowledging the hard work they do to protect us all.
Kristin Lobos
01:14:25
Equity! Yes! I love what you're saying
Melissa Tomlinson
01:14:28
innovating equity and equality within the school system so they don’t need to pick
Rashida
01:15:21
Yes, Tamisha!
Melissa Tomlinson
01:15:27
💯
Courtney and Kirsten
01:15:27
Yes!
Christine Clark
01:15:29
Agree Tamisha!
M W
01:15:35
Are there petitions to keep the Ranch open that I can pass on to my neighbors? Or is all through meetings?
Lynn Mackey
01:15:37
Thank you everyone.
Kristin Lobos
01:15:57
appreciate you so much Tamisha!
Rashida
01:16:37
I need to go, but I love that this is happening, and I'm interested in participating in more listening sessions!
Christine Clark
01:16:48
Agree with Rashida!
ichoate
01:17:07
Thank you for the information. I need to go but I love the involvement of everyone.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:17:20
We do need a petition. Anyone want to work on that I'm in.
Courtney and Kirsten
01:17:33
We also agree and would like to continue to be a part of these ongoing conversations.
stephaniemedley
01:17:57
We have quarterly Racial Justice Oversight Body meetings and each subcommittee has monthly meetings. All are public and welcome all of you to attend.
Courtney and Kirsten
01:19:06
How do we access information about the meetings and agendas? We saw this on Nextdoor, but cannot count on that for future.
Jill Ray
01:20:52
https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/6680/Racial-Justice-Oversight-Body
Lara DeLaney
01:22:05
To subscribe to meeting agendas for the Racial Justice Oversight Body and its subcommittees, please go to this link and self-subscribe:
Lara DeLaney
01:22:09
https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/AgendaCenter/Search/?term=racial%20justice&CIDs=all&startDate=&endDate=&dateRange=&dateSelector=
Christine Clark
01:22:35
We need to reroute police funds to the rehabilitation of our youth! The Ranch needs to stay open in Byron. So important!
Monica Carlisle
01:22:37
If you want to be added to the email distribution list of the Racial Justice Oversight Body, please email me at Monica.Carlisle@orj.cccounty.us
Melissa Tomlinson
01:23:26
I agree with you Christine
Chipo
01:35:03
How can I access this presentation?
Jane Courant
01:44:12
JFK University is closing by end of 2020.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:44:49
Do these programs already exist in the Hall? Will all the young people in confinement have access?
Jane Courant
01:46:18
JFK closure documented SF Chronicle 5/4/20
info@eastcountynaacp.com
01:46:34
Sounds like they will be replicating programs that already exist in Byron...
Melissa Tomlinson
01:46:47
anyone else noticing the lack of windows in the proposed reform. I disagree with institutionalizing the reform. Access to a more natural environment is critical in creating opportunities for healing to occur
Jessee Lovegood
01:47:13
JFK School of Psychology is continuing on
Jan Warren (she, her, hers)
01:47:18
Yes, no windows was the first thing I noticed.
Jessee Lovegood
01:47:20
(Source: currently enrolled there)
info@eastcountynaacp.com
01:47:32
YES!
Chala Bonner
01:48:05
yes I noticed that too Melissa.
Jill Ray
01:48:28
there are windows in that space, just not in this pic. look at the sunlight in the pic.
moxie :)
01:48:36
you can see the light higher up in the picture on screen, I think the photo is facing into the building from an exterior wall, but the windows do look kind of small
Melissa Tomlinson
01:48:54
why also is there no collaboration with local gardens and say equine therapy considering the awesome location they’re in now
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:49:12
There is also a very large outdoor area that the youth would have regular access to, and there are windows out to it on one side - just not pictured here.
Jane Courant
01:49:19
Ha! thanks. thought it was entire U.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:49:23
This reminds me of the sheriff's presentation for the west County mental health jail.
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:50:01
Melissa - there is a horticultural program at the ranch that will transfer to the Hall if the program moves over.
Melissa Tomlinson
01:50:26
I didn’t see any windows in the proposed sleeping areas
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:50:36
The individual rooms do not have windows.
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:50:41
Just the common areas.
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:51:17
No, I apologize - I misspoke. There are sun roofs in the roofs of the rooms.
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:51:31
I'm looking at photos of my tour a few weeks ago and I see windows in the photos I took.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:51:51
jail like home. its like home.
judith foley
01:52:00
A cell is a cell. Where did the money come from for he rehab?
Melissa Tomlinson
01:52:23
a sun roof doesn’t seem like a window or access to fresh air and light. confinement in such ways seems counter intuitive to healing and health
Lynn Mackey
01:52:24
There is a garden program at both locations.
Melissa Tomlinson
01:52:40
thank you Lynn I didn’t see it in the slide
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:52:48
Anyone notice how there are more programs in jail than we have in the community. Interesting
Jessee Lovegood
01:52:56
right?
Jessee Lovegood
01:52:59
fascinating
Jonathan Laba
01:53:09
The common areas only have sight-level windows at the far, narrow end of the common space, and the windows look out into a concrete fenced area.
Jessee Lovegood
01:53:11
What if those programs happened before kids ended up in the system?
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:53:24
good question
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:53:54
Jonathan - my understanding is that they currently are considering a plan to knock down the concrete wall to expand the open area, as well as remove the roof cage on the area.
Jessee Lovegood
01:54:09
the “roof cage"
Jessee Lovegood
01:54:11
????
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:54:12
I don't know if they have finalized those plans - last update, I believe they were soliciting bids.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:54:42
More home like.
Jessee Lovegood
01:55:02
Mmm rubber pellets. Very natural.
Melissa Tomlinson
01:56:00
the proposed is more restricted fenced etc takes the feeling of trust away completely
Jane Courant
01:56:26
Programming prior to incarceration would take funding away from sheriff and probation, a nono in coco
Chala Bonner
01:56:52
I’m curious about the cost. the cost to update the hall opposed to updating the Ranch???
Melissa Tomlinson
01:57:29
same
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
01:57:40
Interesting
Jessee Lovegood
01:57:53
I still want to know, wtf is a roof cage
Ri Scott, CCJJC
01:58:20
Hi, Jessee - the roof cage is somewhat similar to the cage you'd see on a batting cage. It is a prison setting, so it certain is more restrictive and heavy duty.
Melissa Tomlinson
01:59:05
I don’t know but it sounds like bars, creating the feeling of entrapment..... caged
Jonathan Laba
01:59:20
Is there an opportunity for the community to pose questions in addition to making public comment?
Jessee Lovegood
01:59:57
Mm roof cage. Very homey
Melissa Tomlinson
02:01:05
snaps
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:03:23
I don't by it either
Melissa Tomlinson
02:03:35
same
Sheila Riedy
02:04:02
same
Chala Bonner
02:04:11
that part!
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:04:14
Yes please call that out
Kristin Lobos
02:04:18
Speak!
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:04:56
What happens when DJJ closes?
Danielle
02:05:11
great questionsss
Chipo
02:05:23
Smoke and mirrors!
Melissa Tomlinson
02:06:20
raising hand technical difficulties with zoom
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:06:44
How many young people do we send to DJJ annually?
Chipo
02:07:02
Invest in tge communities that these young people will return.
Jill Ray
02:07:02
there are 30 in DJJ currently.
Chala Bonner
02:07:25
being locked up in a closed room is not going to help a youth heal from traumatic experience. Adults are having problems dealing with their traumatic experience of being incarcerated while sheltering in place how can we expect our youth to heal in a “cage like” environment???
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:07:37
Jill. where will they go?
Sheila Riedy
02:08:37
they have no data...there is no centralized case management program they have no statistics
Esa Ehmen-Krause
02:09:01
to DJJ: 20 in 2015, 14 in 2016, 11 in 2017, 17 in 2018, 8 in 2019.
Sheila Riedy
02:10:06
they are not
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:10:17
What is the success rate of the ranch vs the ranch?
Jill Ray
02:10:18
Tamisha, Esa is working on the plan with the state.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:10:47
Jill. will they go to the hall?
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:11:29
so we don't know what works
Ri Scott, CCJJC
02:11:59
Tamisha - there some discussion about possibily building regional hubs with specialized programming with MOUs where youth might be placed in other counties. But that planning, to my knowledge, is not fully being explored since it's about a year before the DJJ closure effects will be fully felt.
Jill Ray
02:12:02
The ones in DJJ now, will not be coming back to CCC, as I understand it. The plan will be going forward, determining the best placement for their needs. moving pieces.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:12:39
Jill. thank you
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:14:50
How much to run the hall?
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:15:19
It sounds like a done deal people
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:15:34
The Supervisors do what they want
Jill Ray
02:15:58
https://www.contracosta.ca.gov/770/Budget-Documents
Genoveva Zesati- Behavioral Health (she,her)
02:15:58
I believe Esa stated it was close to $8 million on a yearly average.
Kristin Lobos
02:15:59
It's really important that we don't send mental health professionals or try and heal trauma when the facility itself causes trauma, that goes for schools as well as locked facilities. I'm just sick of this!
Jill Ray
02:16:24
Tamisha, I shared a link to the County budget document, the info is there, under Probation.
Kristin Lobos
02:16:53
Exactly! Yes Cheryl
Chipo
02:17:06
SPEAK SISTER!!!
Melissa Tomlinson
02:17:07
✊🏼💯
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:17:15
Thank you Jill. is this for the hall and the ranch
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:17:34
Tell the truth
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:18:28
jail is home like
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:18:48
Yes
Genoveva Zesati- Behavioral Health (she,her)
02:19:35
Thank you for your comment Cheryl and for showing up and being present.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:19:56
Give them the facts Johnathon
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:20:25
Yes commission a taskforce
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:20:55
What is the real cost?
Ri Scott, CCJJC
02:21:53
Esa - I want to eco the "legal timeframe" question from Jonathan. The Commission is deeply interested in that.
Jessee Lovegood
02:23:06
Why did the county not realize the ranch was in need of repairs years ago? Why has the count not considered relocating the ranch to an open facility that is more centrally located. Many of the positive effects of the “new” program are the access to community resources and in being closer to their families, so why not consider that option?
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:24:22
Its convenient for the budget
Cheryl Sudduth
02:24:43
Yes Yes. We cannot let this just move through without a fight.... the children deserve that.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:25:48
Victoria its good to see you
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:25:59
Like home
Kristin Lobos
02:26:06
We need adolescent addiction treatment....and so many other programs for youth.
Kristin Lobos
02:26:42
Thank you Melissa for speaking, we need those personal stories
Jane Courant
02:26:53
everyone, please bring these comments to the Bd of Supervisors meeting onJuly 14. sign up for virtual public comment
Kristin Lobos
02:28:05
Good point Susan
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:29:23
Good point Susan its San Quentin for kids comfy warm colors
Kristin Lobos
02:29:48
So important Susan because they have anxiety, they need that space and nature
Jonathan Laba
02:30:55
Yes, there is great concern about the prospect of waitlists that would cause children to do longer, "dead time" at juvenile hall prior to transfer to the new "ranch" unit.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:30:55
I been in the west County facility it feels like that but with bean bags
Danielle
02:31:21
Sry if this was already mentioned - who to email to sign up for public comment on the 14th board of sup. meeting?
info@eastcountynaacp.com
02:31:37
Good to see you, too, Tamisha! You're always on!
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:33:44
A taskforce to work on this is so important
Jill Ray
02:33:50
information on this agenda: http://64.166.146.245/agenda_publish.cfm?id=&mt=ALL&get_month=7&get_year=2020&dsp=ag&seq=1566
Jonathan Laba
02:34:13
As Ri Scott stated earlier, please also attend the Juvenile Justice Commission / Juvenile Justice Coordinating Council forum on the Ranch on July 22.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:34:20
please call you Supervisors and ask to stop the vote on July 14th
Jill Ray
02:34:35
Tamisha, there is no vote on 7/14.
Tamisha Walker Safe Return she/her
02:35:04
public comments
Kristin Lobos
02:35:07
Thank you all!
Jane Courant
02:35:09
still email with your objections